the UFO community, there are always disagreements and sometimes allegations are
slung that have no basis in fact. I have been called a shill for the Air Force,
I have been accused of working for Hector Quintanilla and Project Blue Book,
and that I am an anti-abduction propagandist who writes fiction. The only truth
in all that is that I do write fiction including science fiction but does that
really disqualify me from UFO investigation? Wouldn’t my background in the
military and my training in various fields suggest I can bring some important
insights to UFO investigation?
say all this because Dr. David Clarke has again suggested that Nick Pope,
sometimes described as Britain’s Fox Mulder (because the news media loves to
reduce everything to the lowest common denominator) didn’t investigate anything
officially. Clarke told Martin Willis, during Willis’ recent podcast, “There
was a UFO desk when he was an incumbent for three years but he was just one of
dozens of people who did that task and he didn’t actually investigate
went on to say that Nick Pope merely received the reports and that he then
filed them. The people responsible for the investigations was the Defence
Intelligence Staff, DISS. It was their job to conduct the UFO investigations
that were believed to have some sort of military significance.
said, “I’ve interviewed most of the people who worked on this subject in DISS
at that time and they tell me ‘well, Nick Pope didn’t have any involvement in
this. We did the investigations, we didn’t share information with them because
we didn’t trust them.” He meant that the civilian servants tended to leak
information into the public arena which is why they didn’t trust them.
course, this really is nothing new. Clarke has raised these allegations in the
past and Nick has refuted them in the past. This sort of thing seems to dot the
UFO landscape. It doesn’t matter how many times the allegations are challenged;
they seem to pop up again and again.
Mantle, the force behind Flying Disk Press, and someone who can’t be seen as a
skeptic, wrote to a number of UFO researcher around the world this last week:
the past few days social media has been buzzing regarding allegations made by
Dr. David Clarke. Dr. Clarke was interviewed by Martin Willis on his podcast on
the 18th of November. At around halfway through this one hour
interview Martin asked David about Nick Pope. As most of you will know Mr. Pope
claims to have run the UK government’s UFO project and had officially
investigated UFOs, crop circles and alien abductions as part of his MoD job.
Dr. Clarke publicly stated that his is not the case and that Mr. Pope undertook
no such work and there never was nor is there a UK government ‘UFO PROJECT’…
David Clarke is not the only source of information regarding Nick Pope.
Personally I have been making my own enquiries which are still on-going.
Although my enquiries are not yet complete I have seen and heard enough to
convince me that Dr. Clarke is indeed correct. As a result just yesterday
[November 25] I removed Nick Pope’s foreword for the revised edition of my book
course Nick Pope denies these allegations but now the ball is [simply] in his court.
Can Nick Pope provide any official documentation that states he ran the UK
government’s UFO Project? Well the MoD also claims that he did no such thing.
If he can’t then is this the beginning of the end of Nick Pope?
there is some smoke, but is there any fire. I particularly liked the idea that
Nick present some sort of documentation. I have had the same sort of requests
made of me when people wondered if I had been completely honest about my
background. I provided the documentation, though a couple of times it took some
convincing for the controlling agencies to release the data. I always attempt
to supply the information requested to stop the rumors.
have also found that those who can’t provide the evidence tend to come up with
the “I’m not going to dignify that request with any sort of response defense.”
I’ve always taken that to mean that they can’t provide the evidence so they
just dodge the question with this non response… Or they fall back on the old
the records have been altered or have been destroyed. Huge red flags when
dealing with these sorts of allegations.
reached out to Nick Pope, who was, of course, aware of this latest brouhaha.
Within minutes, I had an answer from Nick. He mentioned that this allegation
had been around for years and it had been answered time and again. He pointed
out that he had been interviewed on a number of high-level television, radio,
and newspaper reporters and had appeared in numerous documentaries. He
suggested that those reporters had vetted him and found his claims to be
given the state of journalism today, and knowing that documentary producers
often have their own agendas, I wasn’t particularly swayed by that argument.
Some might have checked, but I figure most hadn’t. They just believed what they
were told because that was easier than doing any real investigation.
wasn’t all he said. He provided a link to an official document that seemed to
underscore what he claimed. You can read that here:
you scroll down slightly, you’ll find a question that was asked in the British
parliament that seemed to suggest that Nick did investigate UFOs. It is not a
ringing endorsement, but does suggest that Nick was telling the truth about his
involvement, officially, in UFO investigations.
to answer Philip Mantle’s question, it seems that Nick did supply an official
document that states he ran the project. For those who don’t want to go to all
that trouble, here is that brief statement:
From 1991 to 1994 Mr. Pope worked as a civil
servant within Secretariat (air staff). He undertook a wide range of
secretariat tasks relating to central policy, political and parliamentary
aspects of non-operational RAF activity. Part of his duties related to the
investigation of unidentified aerial phenomena reported to the Department to
see if they had any defence significance.
I say, not exactly a ringing endorsement, but it the same sort of endorsement
we’ve seen for Louis Elizondo and the AATIP project he might have run. We are
now in a world of secrets and bureaucracies and double speak so it is hard to
define the truth. At the moment we have no real answer, other than Nick did
supply official documents but it didn’t go quite as far as I would have liked.
not all. Since the bar was set very low, it wasn’t very difficult to overcome.
Other official documents show that Nick did investigate UFOs while serving at
the MoD. You can see some of them here:
a final bit of evidence, Nick was interviewed for a documentary and according
to tht documentary, was the spokesman for the MoD UFO program. For those
interested, you can watch it here:
will note, for those who don’t wish to watch the whole thing, that the relevant
part begins at the fifteen minute mark.
also wrote, “I don’t think there’s rivalry between
David Clarke and I. I remember Clarke from the British UFO Research
Association, so we’re not rivals – merely people who come at this subject from
different sides of the fence: him as a ufologist, me as someone who’s looked at
the phenomenon as part of my government job. Obviously, it’s frustrating when
someone misunderstands or misrepresents my government work, but the lie that I
didn’t investigate UFOs for the MoD was nailed years ago, and obviously the
official website of British parliament is an unimpeachable source. QED.”
whole thing might just boil down to one man making claims about another and
that man providing evidence that those claims are false. Given that this has
played out long before, this might just be much ado about nothing.