John Greenewald vs Tony Bragalia – A Different Perspective

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John Greenewald vs Tony Bragalia – A Different Perspective

week we had a special edition of A
Different Perspective
with guests Tony Bragalia and John Greenewald. The
idea to discuss Tony’s claim that the Pentagon had confirmed they were in
possession of alien debris and that they were conducting reverse engineering on
it. We began with Tony describing what he had discovered through his FOIA
campaign directed at various government agencies. You can listen to the first
part of the program here.

did present his side of this conversation as well, explaining, again how the
FOIA worked and that sometimes the material sent was not necessarily what had
been requested. He was of the opinion that what was addressed in the email
didn’t necessarily relate to the specific request. The FOIA officers attempted
to fulfill the request in compliance with the law.

John Greenewald

mentioned a connection between his investigation into Nitinol metal and
Titanium. He mentioned that General Exon had talked about the ultra-high purity
of Titanium. I said that I didn’t remember General Exon saying anything about
Titanium in my interviews with him and I asked for the citation. Tony didn’t
have it at his figure tips but promised to send it to me later.

can listen to the exchange on the first part of the program. It begins at 24:32
minutes in the show. Tony said, “…he told you, on tape, that he understood that
some of the [Roswell] wreckage being tested was comprised in part by special
processed Titanium, so we begin to examine specially processed Titanium in
these documents…”

said, “I do not remember Exon saying anything about the Titanium.”

said, “It’s in your book and I will cite and send it to you…It’s in your books…
you certainly did talk about Titanium and Arthur Exon and his mention of
specially processed Titanium.”

did send a citation. The reference came from my book Roswell UFO Crash Update and Tom Carey and Don Schmitt’s Witness to Roswell. The information originated
in Don’s interview with Exon in June 1990. It said:

don’t know, at that time, if it was Titanium or some other metal… or if it was
something they knew about and the processing was something different.

has taken that single, rather unimportant reference to Titanium as the possible
metal recovered and turned it into a positive identification of the metal from
Roswell being Titanium. So, in one way, Tony was right. Exon did mention
Titanium but in the long haul, it is not as important as Tony has made it out
to be. It wasn’t a positive identification of Titanium, and there was no
mention of any sort of processing related to the Titanium. Exon did talk about
special handling of the debris but it wasn’t necessarily related to Titanium as
Tony suggested.

Arthur Exon. Photo by
Tom Carey.

Rickett, who had been the NCOIC of the Counterintelligence Corps (CIC) office
in Roswell, handled some of the debris and said it reminded him of Cold Rolled
Steel. He also pointed out that it was very light weight and very strong. I
mention this only to point out that those who actually handed the metal had
different opinions of it. General Exon never handled the debris, a point that
Tony has overlooked. This sort of thing will become important in the second
hour of the show.

was in the second hour that things became somewhat acrimonious. You can listen
to that portion of the show here:

brought up the problem with Tony’s analysis of the Dr. Herbert Dick interviews
that dealt with the situation on the Plains of San Agustin in July 1947. You
can read about that in detail in the following posting. I believed it had some
relevance in the way Tony had described the situation and as the one who
actually interviewed Dr. Dick, I believed that I had a better handle on it. The
discussion related to Tony’s misunderstanding of what Dr. Dick had said and his,
Tony’s, somewhat over the top description of what he believed had happened.

was here, as I was attempting to explain the significance of Tony’s analysis of
Dr. Dick’s statements that Tony kept interrupting me. I told him he would
understand if he would just let me finish. Finally, annoyed with his constant
interruptions, I told him to “Shut up.” Not exactly the most professional way
to handle this, but I had sent him what I thought of as the rules for this
discussion. One of them those rules was not to interrupt because I would
provide an opportunity to respond later. He just hung up.

our email exchange that followed, I provided additional information about Dr.
Dick and my interview with him. Dr. Dick told me that he arrived on the Plains
in July 1947. He didn’t think it was in the first week, which was the critical
time. Later, Art Campbell found documents that put him on the Plains on July 1.
Tony had written that Dr. Dick had categorically denied he had been there in
July and Campbell’s discovery proved that he had. Of course, Dick never denied
he had been there, only that he wasn’t there at the very beginning of the

later wrote in an email that he had been right about Dr. Dick and that I knew
it. I was the one who talked to Dr. Dick, I knew what he had said, and there
was never any question about him being on the Plains in July 1947. The question
was about when he arrived. Putting him there on July 1, was a blow to those who
accepted the Plains San Agustin crash.

Don Schmitt on the Plains of San Agustin. Photo by Kevin Randle.

Tony gone, John and I completed the show. In the last segment of the show, I
mentioned that John had just written about a Pentagon release of more video. We
discussed the implications there, along with what it meant to the UFO report
due to Congress in July, and the possibility that some of these sightings were

also, briefly, touched on the Roswell Slides. Tony had been a vocal advocate of
the validity of the slides. Once the slides were available to the public, the
image on the slides was quickly identified. It is just another example of
Tony’s advocacy for a position that isn’t as solid as it could be.

week is the second part of the show, which is available now through the
embedded audio player or by using the links above.

Source: The Anomalist

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